How Lord of the Rings Changed | Book vs. Film

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How did The Lord of The Rings changed when Peter Jackson brought it to the screen? Let's take a look!
The Lord of the Rings books were once called “unfilmable.” So how did they manage to become one of the most successful trilogies of the past twenty years? Let’s find out in this new episode of Book vs. Film: American Psycho.
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00:00 - Intro
01:48 - Similarities
03:09 - Difference #1: End of the World
07:50 - Difference #2: The Characters
12:45 - Difference #3: Religion
Written by Dean Varga
Hosted by Michael Burns
Directed by Michael Luxemburg
Motion Graphics by Riley A
Editing by Andrew Nishimura
Produced by Evan Yee
Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound
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  • Did you even read the books before shitting this out?

    RastrellyRastrelly8 күн мурун
  • I saw this just to watch the YOU SHALL NOT PASS MEME thank you wisecrack

    Rene bohorquez antonRene bohorquez anton8 күн мурун
  • Whoa whoa whoa. Are you saying a book called the LORD of the rings is actually about the sweet baby Jesus?

    Andres BorgesAndres Borges10 күн мурун
  • Frodo doesn’t destroy the ring, you monster. He gets all the way to the end and COMPLETELY FAILS. It comes down to a contest between two opiate-addicts, and it’s Gollum’s lust that actually destroys the ring. It makes the twist that much crazier because Frodo’d been so static until that point (like you said). You’re right about most everything else, but that’s a pretty colossal aspect to miss. It’s also one of the main reasons why he feels so listless at the end. In the movie, it’s like you said, he was changed by this epic quest and can’t return to the disconnected hobbiton, but in the book, he was the last hope in a VERY black-and-white world, so the fact that he fully embraced the dark lord in the crucial moment burdens him with regret. He leaves middle earth because he knows that he was supposed to be the messiah, but instead he betrayed his whole world.

    Matthew KingMatthew King12 күн мурун
  • The last point is pretty interesting. Not sure I like the undermining of such an important theme in the book, but the characters are just so well written I can’t imagine them changing

    Waits SharpeWaits Sharpe13 күн мурун
  • I've tried to read the books 2-3 times, whether starting with The Hobbit or starting with...uh...the start of the LotR trilogy, and I cannot get through them. I love reading, but those books are too dense, and those songs that go on for pages kill me. I'd skip the songs...but they're part of the world building, and I like that stuff, so I'm left reading them and begging for the end.

    The Bass is LoadedThe Bass is Loaded14 күн мурун
  • Good looking bald guys, for example Vladimir Lenin.

    The Bass is LoadedThe Bass is Loaded14 күн мурун
  • The LOTR books do not try to be a story; they mean to be a Platonic dialogue.

    Konnel DamianoKonnel Damiano14 күн мурун
  • You lost me at "secular middle earth"

    Vince SCVince SC14 күн мурун
  • If you put it that way, you make it seem like the movie improved upon the characters of the book. I'm glad that a director put so much passion into the LOTR trilogy just as Tolkien did with his book

    LaffyLaffy14 күн мурун
  • Also, Tolkien famously hated allegory. None of his characters were ever intended to just be symbolic representations of religious archetypes.

    Guy RGuy R15 күн мурун
  • "The characters in the Lord of the Rings books don't grow" is one hell of a hot take, given that the whole thing ends with the hobbits coming back home and showing how much tougher they are now by defeating Saruman all on their own. Even Aragorn voices doubts about his own ability to lead people in book 2.

    Guy RGuy R15 күн мурун
  • "Minas Tirith in the films is a symbol of Gondor's might, whereas in the book it's a testament to their more capable, more divine forebears" *shows a clip in which Gandalf talks about how low Gondor has fallen, and how it used to be so much better*

    Guy RGuy R15 күн мурун
  • Lol when I read the trilogy I skimmed the songs and poems...guess i missed out

    bi0ha2ardbi0ha2ard15 күн мурун
  • This is also how the movies made it gayer. Obviously The Very Secret Diaries couldn’t have existed when the book came out in the 50s bc no internet. But hot actors with actual character arcs and emotions were also a big driving factor

    RMF1185RMF118516 күн мурун
  • In the forward, Tolkien clearly states nothing in the novel is intended as allegory yet Wisecrack sees Frodo, Aragorn, and Gandalf as allegories for the threefold ministry of Jesus. Wise indeed.

    AlmoniousAlmonious17 күн мурун
  • Ah, yes. The bygone good old days before the end of Brittish imperialism. How we all miss that... Unless, you know, you don't live in Brittain.

    Evelien HeerensEvelien Heerens17 күн мурун
  • Frodo is 50 he isn’t a young boy

    yassin.o.ayassin.o.a17 күн мурун
  • wow

    David RookerDavid Rooker19 күн мурун
  • Hey Wisecrack you forgot the other movie; Ralph Bakshi created "The Hobbit" film in 1977 and "The Lord of the Rings" in 1978. He made those movies way before Peter Jackson made those movies as we know today! You should look and reviews all of Ralph Bakshi works.

    David HummelDavid Hummel19 күн мурун
  • Interesting video, i definitely prefer the books. Why not test your knowledge with our expert quiz?

    Quiz FixQuiz Fix20 күн мурун
  • Well, given that his drinking buddies were like minded academics, who formed a club called The Inklings (referencing the, “ink,” with which they all made their livings) he probably was a huge, “hit at the pub.” 😉

    Ash RoskellAsh Roskell20 күн мурун
  • I respectfully disagree with your view about the Christ archetypes in the movies. For me, they don't seem to symbolize a more secular Middle-Earth. After all, even in the books the monotheism of the characters' religion doesn't have a big exposition. They are more close spiritually to the Vala (who are no gods) than to Iluvatar himself. But actually, he is a present entity, guiding the characters all the way. And the thing is that, the three "Jesus-like" characters are not "sinless messiahs" in the book, in the same sense that Jesus is, though they surely are archetypes. So, their failures in the movies don't change their inherent nature, but just reinforce it. The main point of Frodo claiming the ring is that he carries the evilness of Middle-Earth with him, and sacrifices himself to the salvation of all, but he cannot destroy the ring BECAUSE he is not Christ, he is not God, he is not Iluvatar. Middle-Earth tries to be a hipotetically old past, and in this sense, our world is the same as theirs, and their time is a time prior to the revelation of God in the Old Testament, and of He Himself coming to die for our sins in the New Testament (of course, in the Christianity worldview that Tolkien believed). So, Tolkien never intended to represent Aragorn, Gandalf and Frodo as perfect beings to do Christ work, but fallible characters that became responsibles for the attributions of Christ when He had not come yet. Just because of that, they are three to do the same job that only one Christ managed to do alone. And even so, they only managed to accomplish it by the secret guidance of Iluvatar, confirmed in the Tolkien's letters. It's because of His providence that even when Frodo claimed the ring in Mount Doom, the flame of Goodness (like the Holy Spirit) in Frodo convinced him to let Gollum remain alive and it caused the fallen creature to be an instrument of the will of Iluvatar. In the same sense, it is only through the choice of Gandalf to remain faithful to his duties of an obedient angelic creature in Middle-Earth, in full obedience to Iluvatar (differing from the other Istari), that he is ressurrected (and not by the own power of Gandalf). And it's through the honest heart and desire to be good, and hate for the evilness present in men's hearts (and in his own heart), that Aragorn is chosen to reign as a king and is blessed in his battles (and even if he sinned, like King David did, he would repent because of his honest heart). The failures of the three characters, more apparent in the movies, only help to exalt and praise Christianity and the figure of Christ, and not the contrary.

    Isaque Dos Reis NevesIsaque Dos Reis Neves21 күн мурун
  • Talking about the "ancient glory" in Middle Earth what happens after the ring is destroyed is pretty sad, all the magic of the world is slowly fading away, no more elves, no more dwarfs, no ents, just the human race.

    Rich GodiRich Godi21 күн мурун
  • Have they read the book? Because looking at this it doesn't look like they read the book.

    dade494dade49423 күн мурун
  • Almost all of the character analysis fundamentally misrepresents the characters of the books. They aren’t nearly as static as you’re suggesting. Frodo undergoes immense physical and spiritual change because of the ring and Aragorn clearly undergoes a process of struggling with his destiny. Disappointing analysis with good production.

    Phillip JonesPhillip Jones23 күн мурун
  • Micheal is the new Jared

    Extra VictoryExtra Victory24 күн мурун
  • Michael: **fantastic and subtle reading of a verse from LOTR** KGworld: HEY DO U WANT DOMINOOOOOOOZZZZ?!?!!!??***

    Nick JonesNick Jones24 күн мурун
  • The importance of three's predates christianity. Tolken may have gotten his inspiration from that but Christianity gets its inspiration from older myths so I think the ideas in the story don't necessarily have to be perceived a being Christian even if that's where Tolken got his idea from. This video even depicts Hecules at the start and the importance of the idea of the triple deity in mythology is common in general. The three moira or the fates would be one example. So if the film is moving away from this element it is not necessarily moving away from Christianity specifically but mythology in general. I'm not completely sold on how giving each of the three a story arc is a secular concept though. While the movie is arguably less classical and a more contemporary take, thereby being more secular, by default does this really come from giving the three a less archetypical character arc. Still I don't think that making the three or trinity of LOTR characters less archetypical is a secular direction. If you're making that argument you're basically saying that movies are more secular than books because many of those things are done because things must be shown not told in movies. It's a different format and no one wants to watch Frodo just power through a journey for 10 hours with no ups and downs and character progression.

    InsanePorcupineInsanePorcupine25 күн мурун
  • My only complain in the movies is that Frodo is very useless, which is not what I felt when I read the books. Frodo had problems in the books, but was trying to fight back all the times, on the movies Frodo move was to shit his pants, open wide eyes and falling, just to be rescued. Also why is animated Aragorn on his undies?

    BloodManticore24BloodManticore2425 күн мурун
  • 14:20 I don't think this necessarily negates the Triplicate Messiah archetype, like Jesus straight up didn't want to die even as a messiah and didn't know when the resurrection would happen. Jesus is also thoelogically represented as Fully man and Fully God so representing some human flaws like fear, self-doubt or lack of knowledge is part of that being fully, a man. However, Jesus theologically also never falls for temptation which Frodo does but it is possible for one to be more than one archetype and Frodo of the Old and New Testament prophets who do sin but repent quickly.

    Ikenga SpiritIkenga Spirit25 күн мурун
  • Young boy? Frodo was 50 during the events of the books...

    Ugly German TruthsUgly German Truths26 күн мурун
  • Suuuuuuch a good discussion! Thank you guys so much!

    William BurrowsWilliam Burrows26 күн мурун
  • The divinity of Jesus Christ is not undermined by the film characters. The book and the movie is a fantasy that affirms THE basic Christian teaching, which is, though you failed to mention it, that ETHICAL BEHAVIOR is NOT OPTIONAL for humans of good will. That is, there is no ambiguity in what is the right, spiritually redeeming behavior versus what is the wrong, spiritually (and eventually physically) destructive behavior in the movie or the book. Relativism is a Social Darwinist CON to sucker people nto "justifying" unethical behavior (i.e. "might equals right + greed is good"). The Lord of the Rings Book AND the film make it crystal clear that Sauron, Saruman and all the other murderous greedballs in the book are functional Social Darwinists unwittingly destroying themselves and everything around them for short term power and profit. Sauron is the embodiment of Wall Street + the hydrocarbon hellspawn supported MIC. IOW, we are in worse shape than Middle Earth if Sauron had gotten his ring back. 😵😱 It's the SOCIAL DARWINISM, stupid! The ideology of the Social Darwinist is indistinguishable from the despicable ideology of NAZI Germany, clearly exemplified in their brutally enforced morally bankrupt concentration camp law: “Eat your own bread, and if you can, that of your neighbor.” Social Darwinism is actually based, not on "survival of the fittest", but on fear of tomorrow, a morally bankrupt excuse for rejecting altruism and empathy and embracing a selfish greed dominated hoarding modus vivendi. "One who fears tomorrow does not offer his bread to others. But one who is willing to divide his food with a stranger has already shown himself capable of fellowship and faith, the two things from which hope is born." -- Primo Levi, author of Survival in Auschwitz Social Darwinism is the morally bankrupt world view that spawned the profit over people and planet neoliberal ideology. Neoliberal intellectuals like Friedrich von Hayek, Ludwig von Mises and Milton Friedman were all Social Darwinists long before they renamed laissez-faire liberalism (that had been thoroughly discredited by the Great Depression) with the catchy title of "Neoliberalism". 🤔 Based on what celebrated social theorist and geographer David Harvey himself has written, I'm surprised that he has not reached the "It's the Social Darwinism, stupid" conclusion yet (see below): The David Harvey explains that neoliberal ideology serves the following principle: "There shall be no serious challenge to the absolute power of money to rule absolutely. And that power is to be exercised with one objective: Those possessed of money shall not only be privileged to accumulate wealth endlessly at will, but they shall have the right to inherit the earth, taking either direct or indirect dominion, not only of the land and all the resources and productive capacities that reside therein, but also assume absolute command, directly or indirectly, over the labor and creative capacities of all those others it needs. The rest of humanity shall be deemed disposable." David Harvey, “The Party of Wall Street Meets its Nemesis,” Also, by David Harvey, A Brief History of Neoliberalism (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2005. Gelbert OBSERVATION: If the morally bankrupt, socially destructive ideology which backs no serious challenge to the absolute power of money to rule absolutely, while it simultaneously deems the rest of humanity disposable, is not SOCIAL DARWINISM, I don't know what is. 😠

    Anthony GelbertAnthony Gelbert26 күн мурун
  • Gandalf usec Keeps.

    Vitor BarretoVitor Barreto26 күн мурун
  • Trying really hard, but can't think of any "death and rebirth" scenario Aragorn goes through in the book. Showing one of the few scenes in the film that isn't based on any part of the book to underline this point doesn't exactly help.

    farts of doomfarts of doom27 күн мурун
  • Sir Ian, Sir Ian, Sir Ian....

    danrazzmatazzdanrazzmatazz27 күн мурун
  • Just as an aside. Does anyone else think Gollum looked too much like a cartoon character compared to the live action actors? Everyone in the world seems to think he looks incredibly realistic but to me the eyes were too big and Loony Tunes.

    Malcolm ArmstrongMalcolm Armstrong27 күн мурун
  • They did my bois Glorfindel and Imrahil dirty, but, well, what marvelous films they were

    Jin Gyu LeeJin Gyu Lee28 күн мурун
  • Wait! Where? Nevermind... LOL

    GaretO MusicGaretO Music28 күн мурун
  • You could read Gandalf, Aragorn and Frodo as Christ-figures, but I think that might be reading a bit too far into it. Tolkien and Lewis did not write the same types of books, and equating that trio to a Christ-like Aslan seems a bit off (especially since it’s a lot more commom to talk about Christ as «just» King and Priest as in Hebrews). To me at least, they seem like flawed people that still could serve God, similiar to Jonah and David, instead of stand-ins for Christ himself. But I’m not Catholic, so I might be wrong here.

    GryynGloGryynGlo28 күн мурун
  • Friendly note to check your video description. You still list it as American Psycho, "Let’s find out in this new episode of Book vs. Film: American Psycho." Just looking out! Great video as always!

    Scott MarkusScott Markus28 күн мурун
  • Another big difference is the pace of the journey. The movie seems like everything happens within a few weeks, in the books you understand more of the epic JOURNEY this is. Things took time, and they spent more time with each person they encountered.

    asl36 asl36asl36 asl3628 күн мурун
  • Now compare the books to the soviet one

    Lucas de Mello SampaioLucas de Mello Sampaio28 күн мурун
  • World building over narrative? LOTR was the OG Dark Souls

    Moravia90sMoravia90s28 күн мурун
  • This video didn't mention the character who changed the most from book to movie: Faramir. In the book, he was honorable to a fault and probably closer to an archetype of virtue than the major characters. In the movie, he was jealous and insecure, but redeemed himself in the end.

    Jonathan RogersJonathan Rogers28 күн мурун
  • one thing i didn't like about the second movie is that they changed Faramir. In the books Faramir was never tempted by the ring, and let Frodo and Sam go knowing they have the ring. I didn't like how they changed him, but now i think I understand that choice. How a movie need to focus more on characters, and so they given them character arks. Now i see they did a good job. Faramir too got an arc that is plausible, and I might not mind the change at all. Got to see them again :)

    ruukaozruukaoz28 күн мурун
  • For once, the movies are better than the books they're based on!

    Awesome MattAwesome Matt28 күн мурун
  • It's been a long time but I'm pretty sure in silmarillion it's shown that Gandalf is not 100%certain of anything he is full of doubt

    watwatwatwatwatwat28 күн мурун
  • I remember reading the prologue to the first book where Tolkien says he dislikes symbolism and I was like “dude, sir, have you read your own books?”

    Andandopalteatro conlospiesAndandopalteatro conlospies28 күн мурун
  • I don't agree with the first difference. All the Elrond scenes fulfill the same purpose to those book scenes he mentioned. I mean sure there's a difference and that theme about a world losing it's magic has a different importance but it's still there.

    Juan Pablo VillarroelJuan Pablo Villarroel28 күн мурун
  • Lotr movies > Lotr Books Hobit movies < Hobbit Book

    pticu1pticu129 күн мурун
  • Aragon might want to be king in the books, but his challenge is to actually unite his people and you know, have a kingdom to rule. Idk, let’s agree to disagree.

    Nicole AlmeidaNicole Almeida29 күн мурун
  • Did I miss something?? What happened to the other host of wisecrack? Jared I think was his name

    Kyle SantosKyle Santos29 күн мурун
  • Young boy? Frodo was 50-years-old. Go make videos about something you actually care about.

    CalumCalum29 күн мурун
  • someones mald as hell

    StankFaceStankFace29 күн мурун
  • You should do adaptation next

    Kieran AugustKieran August29 күн мурун
  • There's a lot of walking in the book. ALOT of WALKING!!!

    Colton RuscheinskyColton Ruscheinsky29 күн мурун
  • I think it's time for me to revisit the books for the 5th or 6th time. I always end up picking up way more things with read, new perspectives on top of new perspectives. It's interesting to watch your favorite stories mature as you do.

    Bradley AthertonBradley Atherton29 күн мурун
  • Kinda surprised the video didn't touch on the biggest change, the Hobbits returning home after the journey

    57wookie57wookie29 күн мурун
  • Extended cuts: the only way to watch Lord of the Rings

    Ryan BarclayRyan Barclay29 күн мурун
  • The Fellowship of the Ring is turning 20 this year and I don't think I've seen fantasy put on screen that came even close to being this great. Except Game Of Thrones, arguably.

    Gretchen SauerGretchen SauerАй мурун
  • Frodo is 50... I wouldn't call him a young boy

  • 1:00 Eww... baldy baldy baldo's

    J.R. BoyettJ.R. BoyettАй мурун
  • Bit late, but gotta say that i prefer that kind of "confident" Michael. The "self-pity" Michael is so cringe...dude got to boast that damn phd and 3 million subs all over us, friggin over achiever.

    Igor MascarenhasIgor MascarenhasАй мурун
  • Reading these books, those songs are so dense. I had forgotten how important they are to the story. Might be due for a reread....

    Devin PowersDevin PowersАй мурун
  • All I heard was great reasons that the movies are better than the book. And he's right. I love fantasy. Specially fantasy with good world building. But i can't stand Tolkien's writing. I know that is sacrilegious within the fantasy world. But he is a terrible writer. He is the king of the run-on sentences. I'd dare to say Jackson's Hobbit movies are better than the book too. It's way more interesting. He does a better job of fleshing out the dwarves. And if you think they aren't fleshed out that well in the movie, you're right. That just shows how little is done to differentiate them in the book.

    DeadpoolAndFriendsDeadpoolAndFriendsАй мурун
  • Great video. My two cents on the hot take that Jackson's film refutes the existence of Christ: This can still be reconciled as one common theme in the Christian Bible is the inadequacy of humanity compared to the divine. While human Biblical figures like David can embody one of Christ's three offices (kingship in David's case), the Bible is clear in emphasizing how King David falls short of the divine ideal: David famously sent Uriah to his death and had a relationship with his wife.

    Victor BVictor BАй мурун
  • Aragorn earns the crown in the film's rather than just collecting it in the books? Stunning idea! I'm definitely stunned.

    alan popealan popeАй мурун
  • What you describe as focusing on the characters, I describe as taking a book you considered good enough to film at great expense and gutting character motivations to the point of being unrecognizable. The characters did indeed have depth in the book. They did change and evolve. Even the odd tweak could be done without deciding that Rohan hates Gondor and Gondor hates Rohan and that Aragorn has to be convinced to be king, that Faramir would start to take Frodo back to Denethor, and worst of all, that Frodo would EVER send Sam away over something as pedestrian and uninventive as that stupid lembas tossing scheme Peter Jackson inserted in the story. Frodo is a mass of internal conflict in the book and he is constantly challenged! He nearly smacks Sam more than once when he feels the Ring's influence! Legolas and Gimli developed an unexpected friendship through scenes very much shown in the book... sharing sorrows and joys as people do. Seeing wonders together, fighting side by side, working together to help the hobbits and overcoming their prejudices in the process. It's all there. You could have gone over the differences without inserting your nonsensical interpretations. In your attempts to lick the boots of the filmmakers you've basically praised them for taking the intended story the author wrote and undermining things he chose to include. Say it's Jackson's interpretation but don't insult our intelligence by acting like Jackson did us a favor. He did a brilliant job in so many areas... casting, costumes, sets, music, all sorts of visual things and even the directing. But when it came to the script, he gutted it with a Morgul blade. I genuinely understood a lot of the changes... removing Bombadil, Ghân-buri-Ghân, and even the Scouring of the Shire, though that was one of my favorite parts. A lot of changes were needed to bring it to film. But he then went full God mode (ironically since according to you he stripped away any religion apparently) and changed whatever he thought wasn't interesting enough. He wanted a LOTR soap opera. What Jackson did to LOTR is best summed up in a line from one of his Hobbit movies... "These are Rhosgobel rabbits!" Jackson does what he pleases even if it's stupid. As a result, I never finished his Hobbit movies and struggle to rewatch LOTR despite how much I enjoyed them initially.

    Bee WhistlerBee WhistlerАй мурун
  • There are a lot of things in the movies that don't really make sense, and that's the result of altering characters and events in such a prefectly crafted book. However, those are nitpicks I can overlook because The Lord of The Rings trilogy still has an immensly powerful narrative altogether. A lot of people rip on Peter Jackson's The Hobbit for being an inferior trilogy. And while that's absolutely true, I also think most of its flaws were already present in The Lord of The Rings. It's just that by adapting a small book into a trilogy it didn't have such a strong narrative to distract us from its flaws.

    Sandro Algra BarradasSandro Algra BarradasАй мурун
  • Maybe it's just me, but Aragorn came off as a huge entitled prick in the books as opposed to the ideal king that Tolkien intended him to be. The personality change of the movie made him FAR more relatable as a person and far more desirable as an ideal ruler. I also think that it's hilarious that Frodo unknowingly sat in his insanely decadent home swimming in wealth with the One Ring giving no fucks for nearly 20 years before finally setting off. (And he also came off as a rich prick to me in the novel.) Keep in mind, I read the books AFTER watching the films. And boy, it was a boring slog of songs, food and historical exposition. Maybe our concept of literature and the way it was written has changed too drastically from Tolkien's ivy league educated 1930's sentimentality, or maybe it's just my upbringing and perspective of his work, but I almost can't fathom how this was thought of highly enough for someone to propose it (multiple times if you consider how many times it's been adapted) as a feature length film. And, on the flip side of that same token, it's also no surprise to me that it wasn't until 2001 that audiences were ready (with the help of a stellar production) to actually swallow the horse pill that was this dense world. I'm earnestly surprised it's such a beloved childhood book for so many because I earnestly can't fathom what child from my age group (I'm in my 40's), would have had the patience to sit and read this with self-imposed gusto.

    Samuel RobinsonSamuel RobinsonАй мурун
  • The most distinct difference to me in the books is the strikingly apocalyptic tone the books strike. The threat of Sauron is comparably disastrous, but whereas in the films it is a thing on the verge of happening and sweeping everyone away, the books pose it as a thing that is happening now. Once you leave the Shire, Sauron's agents have power and influence everywhere you go, every time the Fellowship makes it to a safe place you hear of the sacrifices that were made to get them there, every time they plan to move they discuss options lost because of recent conquest or disaster, and each time they leave a safe place the words of those remaining make it seem they are fully expecting to be overrun soon. Sauron reclaiming the Ring isn't the end of the world - it's already the end of the world, and destroying the Ring won't undo the vast damage done.

    UnreasonableOpinionsUnreasonableOpinionsАй мурун
  • This comment section is pure cancer. Does not shock me as LOTR fans are the most toxic fanbase on the internet.

    romangeneral23romangeneral23Ай мурун
  • Wow, this sounds like the book would be downright boring.

    kurtreznorkurtreznorАй мурун
  • The way you put it, the live action movie is more interesting than the book.

    Keyotea MendelbarKeyotea MendelbarАй мурун
  • As many commenters have noted, there is significant charecter growth in the book. For example, eowyn growing from having to define herself by male/warrior standards to relating to faramir as an adult and nobel lady.

    Marc HessMarc HessАй мурун
  • Great video. +1 for Supergiant's Hades

    TheMaskedGamerTheMaskedGamerАй мурун
  • Lol baldcel paid advertising. Stay frosty boyos

    Josh RobisonJosh RobisonАй мурун
  • Idk, the claim that the books' characters are predominantly archetypal is a bit of a stretch imo, there's a lot of subtle and not so subtle character development moments in the book, but I do agree with the overall claim that this was probably not Tolkien's main focus with the books as it was with the films.

    nervosnervosАй мурун
  • I'm glad they toned down most of the homoerotic frission in the two Hobbit couples for the Movies. Barely even noticed that. . . . . said no-one.

    No DiggityNo DiggityАй мурун
  • "Young boy" lol Frodo is 50! Is that the new 18 for hobbits?

    Laurel ButterworthLaurel ButterworthАй мурун
  • I don't think you've actually read the book.

    Richard CahillRichard CahillАй мурун
  • I may as well be The Lady of the Ring with how OBSESSED with the books I am

    M.C EllenM.C EllenАй мурун
  • Do a video on 'Messiah' the Netflix series.

    Ajil Jude SobiAjil Jude SobiАй мурун
  • I watched the films first as a kid and read the books as an adult. I found the books to be too positive when it came to ideas of war, power and progress. The movies I felt better reflected the modern era (post-911} where the idea of victory had less meaning than before, and trust in the power structure (generally white power structure) was eroding. There was also a war weariness in the movies that I felt as an American as these characters fought an unending struggling surrounded by the ruin of more glorious past.

    Raymond TrabulsyRaymond TrabulsyАй мурун
  • Tolkien hated allegory so I don’t think the Christ thing is a thing.

    thesungodterrythesungodterryАй мурун
  • Book vs film for V for vendetta

    seagoat goddessseagoat goddessАй мурун
  • @ 8:05 more of a world-builder than a novelist.... This makes sense to me. I understand why JRR Tolkein and Eiichiro Oda are the greatest story writers of all time. Both of them are world-builders who are detail oriented, planning things out years if not decades ahead. They let the story write itself with the ending already in mind. Writers of 2 of the greatest modern day epics ever told. Cant say this for LoTR as I havent read all of it but for One Piece, I think its the greatest epic of all time.

    StoicSwordsmanStoicSwordsmanАй мурун
  • You need a durag for hair growth

    AP noBluetoothBassAP noBluetoothBassАй мурун
  • It's crazy to think that Mr. Jackson actually made the story better by fleshing out the motivations of the leads. And it even took about the religious overtone bull crap. Well done, Peter. 😁

    Ivan JohnsonIvan JohnsonАй мурун
  • You lost me at "agrees to destroy the Ring, does a quest, destroys the Ring" when the climax of the story - Frodo at Sammath Naur - makes it very clear that Frodo fails to destroy the Ring, which shows what a huge impact the Ring had on Frodo - both physically and mentally, and also is a reason why he would later sail to the Undying Lands. Actually, the whole part from Gollum appearing on the slopes of Mount Doom to the actual destruction of the Ring is changed quite a lot even if it doesn't look that way on first glance. While I agree that the book doesn't feature the typical character development elements of modern stories, I disagree with the idea that the characters in the books are all static. Especially the Hobbits are very much changed by their experience, even if it's not shown step by step as it is in the movies.

    LothirilLothirilАй мурун
  • I don't think the films lost the idea of a fading world. They just had to convey it in different ways. Some more subtle, but some not. I mean, these are the very first words we hear: The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost.

    Snatcher42Snatcher42Ай мурун
  • My dream is to one day direct a remake of the trilogy that compares more to the books

    Olaf ScholtensOlaf ScholtensАй мурун
  • As interesting and well thought out as this video was, I think it doesn't do the books justice. Frodo very clearly changes from the huge amount of time he spent in the outskirts of the Shire lollygagging instead of leaving as recommended, to being deeply focused and dedicated to destroying the ring to actually failing to do so and becoming an empty shell of his former self, as seen in the scouring of the shire. He is anything but stagnant.

    TaislinmaosdelaTaislinmaosdelaАй мурун
  • I think it’s amazing that fans of the book don’t hate the movies unlike many other series. It’s also nice that many many things that where left out often still somewhat personify with little touches.

    Funkky MonkeyFunkky MonkeyАй мурун
  • I hope u do a book vs film for the wheel of time after the first season finishes airing and every season after .:) specially since lotr was a big influence for Robert Jordan.

    xyr3sxyr3sАй мурун
  • This is a cool video, but it’s wrong in a few things. First off, like others have said, the characters do have narrative arcs in the books as well. Even Merry and Pippin change throughout their journey. And the fact that Frodo changes is *essential* to him leaving to Valinor. If he had stayed the same, there would be no reason for him to leave. But more importantly, Jackson’s films do keep Tolkien’s themes of extinction and the ending of the divine in Middle Earth. The difference is that the movies are much more subtle about it than the books (which is a plus in my opinion). From King Théoden burying his own son, to the Ents lamenting the fact that they “lost” the Entwives, there is this uncomfortable sensation that the Third Age is coming to a close, and with it, the ability of the elders to pass on their cultural heritage. That’s why the Elves are leaving to Valinor, why Denethor is unable to see Faramir, the sentimental son, as his own kin and why Gimli jokes about the myth that female Dwarves simply don’t exist. Middle-Earth itself is becoming an infertile land, devoid of the magical entities that once roamed the world. Perhaps this video is referring to the theatrical cut which misses a lot of these points but the extended editions definitely have those same themes.

    M PaulsonM PaulsonАй мурун
  • Why is it always Michael? He’s fucking terrible

    12canadianboy1212canadianboy12Ай мурун
  • This is why The Silmarillion is the superior book. Mythical stuff happen at such a pace that makes character development unnecessary. Whereas in the Lotr books, most of the time you are just reading about the position of trees and hills with static heroes walking in between them.

    Nerd StarkNerd StarkАй мурун