Who is the Real Vision? | A Philosopher Reacts

2021-ж., 16-мар.
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Wandavision: What can boats and robots teach us about ourselves?
Wandavision mixed two of our favorite things: television, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And while it contained tons of surprises, the one that stood out to us was a philosophical debate about the Ship of Theseus carried out by two synthezoids. Let’s see if Vision’s philosophy holds up to scrutiny in this episode of A Philosopher Reacts to Wandavision.
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00:00 - Intro
02:54 - The Ship Of Theseus
08:38 - John Locke
11:12 - Outro
Hosted by Michael Burns
Directed by Michael Luxemburg
Motion Graphics and Editing by Jackson Maher
Additional Production Assistance: Matias Rubio
Produced by Evan Yee
Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound
#wandavision #marvel #wisecrack
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  • Title of the video : Who is the real vision (while showing pictures of both) Proceeds to warn about spoilers at the start of the video

    Aarush KumarAarush Kumar8 саат мурун
  • wait so technically vision is now alive without the mind stone right? because the vision (the colored one) gave all his memory to the white vision.. so the white vision is now the new vision with all his memory making vision technically canonically alive?

    Francis GarciaFrancis Garcia9 саат мурун
  • This seem to be a favourite scene for many people. I also like fact Vision vs Vision was settle with a philosophical discussion but I’m not 100% onboard in this instance. Are we saying white Vision was assigned the task of stopping Vision, but he had to stop when it turned out that in a technical sense what the word ‘Vision’ refers to is a bit grey?

    wetfishbitswetfishbits11 саат мурун
  • If you let someone borrow your computer, but over time they replace major parts, is it still your computer when you ask for it back? Apparently it wasn't.

    Lark88Lark8820 саат мурун
  • If I can't remember who I am, do I still have the same responsibilties? I think one thing the Lockean view seems to gloss over is that, regardless of whether or not we can establish a firm psychological continuity of self between our past, present, and future, there are loads of other factors to consider. One thing MacIntyre pointed out in After Virtue that I love circling back to is the reality of other people's narratives about yourself. You might not remember everything that happened to you, but other people remember things about you too. You aren't just left to your own devices in figuring out who you are, but you rely on other people to ground your place in the world. Maybe this doesn't quite apply to Vision, since they have instant recall, so long as their memories are unblocked. But even so, White Vision seems distantly aware that he has moral qualms about being used as a weapon without having a say about how his powers are directed. Is this because he has vague intimations that his memory is blocked, or is it because he has a properly functioning rational faculty that imposes those sorts of questions on him? The older I get, the more I think personal identity is largely an a posteriori fact about myself that is open to investigation for anyone concerned, and that I will need people around me to help in understanding myself. Grounding it in the faculty of memory only constitutes the possibility of forming a definite picture of an entity over time, but that's common to any object of perception.

    Sebastian OrlanderSebastian OrlanderКүн мурун
  • Late reply to this question: In my view (and probably someone else's, I'm not well-read on the subject), questions like these first need to be understood in the sense of how they are *relevant* to the purpose in asking them. Why we want to know which ship (or neither, or both) is the true Ship of Theseus dictates how we should go about asking. For example, suppose we are concerned about ownership of and title to the ship. This is a question about legal conventions and social perceptions, and the correct answer (depending on culture or jurisdiction) is that the one with a continuity of existence is the real ship, at least so far as is relevant to our purpose in asking. Suppose that instead we wish to know something about what seas the ship sailed in during its original voyage, and have some fancy scientific test for detecting certain varieties of salt that embedded themselves in the grains of wood and using these to map its journeys. For this question, material substance is what is relevant, and the reconstructed ship is the real ship. Suppose instead we just want an accurate idea of what the Ship of Theseus looked like, and are wondering which one to examine. For this purpose, form is what is relevant, and they are both the real Ship of Theseus. To draw on The Hobbit (late-date-spoiler alert), Bilbo returns from his unexpected journey a year after his departure to discover his possessions are being auctioned off on the belief that he is dead. He quickly asserts that he is still alive, that this is his property, and everyone better give it back now. Even if he has trouble convincing people of this, he is indeed the same person who left the Shire a year ago. But it can also be remarked that he ISN'T the same person who left a year ago, because his experiences have changed him. He no longer sees the world the same, no longer suffers under the same self-limitations, no longer has the same predilections. Is he the same person who left, and is he the same person who left? Like two guests wearing identical masks at a masquerade, these are two distinct questions wearing identical words. One question is about discerning ownership, and the correct answer relevant to that purpose is that yes, he is the same. The other is about whether he has changed psychologically, and the correct answer relevant to that purpose is that he is significantly changed, though whether that makes him a different person might be a matter of degrees. In Wandavision, the question of which one's the real Vision has two purposes attached to it and it changes as the scene progresses. When Wanda's Vision first poses the problem to White Vision, it is asking whether Wanda's Vision is actually the target that White Vision has been sent to destroy, relevant to the decision of whether White Vision should continue to fight Wanda's Vision. The correct answer to this question is that yes, this is who White Vision was actually aimed at. As the scene continues, the question's purpose morphs into something akin to a koan. It becomes more of a spiritual rather than factual matter. The purpose of the question isn't about any actual answer, but to serve as a framework or touchstone for a larger exploration of how to conceptualize our reality. Relevant to this purpose there is no correct or incorrect answer. You just keep asking the question until you know more. The point of the question wasn't to decide that White Vision was the real Vision and Wanda's Vision wasn't, as they eventually did. That was just a byproduct. Instead, the question's purpose was to create openings for things like: White Vision realizing he was being used as a mindless, unthinking weapon; Wanda's Vision to come to terms with and finally express the idea that he was more dream than reality; identify what both need and are lacking; and finding a way to resolve that lack. Relevant to this purpose, you need to explore a variety of responses, each coming at the question from a different angle, to test and deepen our view of truth, without committing to any one answer.

    David KistlerDavid KistlerКүн мурун
  • Ship of Theseus Paradox = How many band members can be replaced in Lynyrd Skynyrd before it becomes just a tribute band.

    Colt CogginsColt CogginsКүн мурун
  • Does Wisecrack is still Wisecrack without its creator? Does the ship lose its soul without him? Or replacing the planks of the vessel is just as good?

    Maia TecheraMaia Techera2 күн мурун
  • let the ship rot till it's dust, is it still the ship ?

    NekoDebilNekoDebil2 күн мурун
  • "Thought" Vision giving White Vision his memories back was "Thought" Vision expressing his understanding that they both can have the memories, therefore both are the real vision, but also that his time to exist was about to end. So, White Vision was the only way he/they could live & be with Wanda. "Thought" Vision was uber heroic here, knowing it was all about to come crashing down and that his very existence was the sign that Wanda needed help....just my thoughts on the matter. ;)

    Joshua MyersJoshua Myers2 күн мурун
  • Screw Chomsky. He's a linguist, a liar, and a Marxist apologist.

    AristoclesAristocles3 күн мурун
  • White vision goes to Wakanda, leaves in rainbow colours.

    Matt HandbagMatt Handbag4 күн мурун
  • Gets pretty confusing when you know the Mind and Soul Stones are different, and Wanda's Hex of Westview looked like it drew power from the Reality Stone.

    Louis DuarteLouis Duarte5 күн мурун
  • Can White Vision pick up Mjolnir?

    Christopher RossChristopher Ross6 күн мурун
  • A memory is a concept reimagined, so as your memories morph due to fabrication to make up for lost data, your identity slowly changes. 30 year old you is definitely a different person than 15 year old you, but the concept of your physical presence being you remains the same.

    Martin JohnsonMartin Johnson6 күн мурун
  • Isn't the situation more Swamp Man than Ship of Theseus?

    Richard ProperRichard Proper7 күн мурун
  • Garnles Barkley love

    David BDavid B7 күн мурун
  • I was convinced that White Vision is Vision the moment he requested for elaboration 😂

    LalaLala7 күн мурун
  • "What is me? My memories, my body, or my mind?" Joke's on you, I don't even believe I exist. Get on my level.

    Phantom9252Phantom92527 күн мурун
  • Whatever I am, the only thing I know for sure is that I despise this existence almost as much as I love it

    Just a Regular HumanJust a Regular Human7 күн мурун
  • i think whitevision becomes vision the moment he unlocks his memory, the other vision who coexists for a short period of time is also at least "half of himself" because he makes new memories adding to the generall visions memory

    Zacherias ObenaufZacherias Obenauf7 күн мурун
  • Surely the final cause of an assassin is to kill for money, not to rob an ice cream parlor. Therefore a cold stone assassin would either be a killer made of ice cream, or a killer of ice cream.

    ReactReact8 күн мурун
  • Content starts at 2:14

    Mind MilkMind Milk8 күн мурун
  • This is the video you share to your enemies to give them an existential crisis.

    Nolan GutierrezNolan Gutierrez9 күн мурун
  • The ship of Theseus is the ship own and used by Theseus, otherwise it's not his ship

    Samuel TukuaSamuel Tukua9 күн мурун
  • The Ship of Theseus reference was perfect though. I've often thought about it.

    Marquise StrongMarquise Strong10 күн мурун
  • He is visions original body and visions original data

    Nizzle PrizzleNizzle Prizzle12 күн мурун
  • But all Wanda wanted was a relationship.

    Peter KhewPeter Khew12 күн мурун
  • John Dies at the End explored this too

    Richard CloughRichard Clough12 күн мурун
  • Why did you make that joke about nasonex? Why are you getting hammered with the boys at noon? Why talk about student loans?

    Jacob ButtarazziJacob Buttarazzi12 күн мурун
  • in this case, banner was right, that removing the mind stone from vision, would still leave u with a whole lot of vision, and this white vision will find wanda to reunite with her, but before that she will think that white vision is hostile and is coming after her for a mission to eliminate her, but its just a theory so don't think this is the main season 2 plot for wandavision.

    Sahil MeghaniSahil Meghani13 күн мурун
  • Last take is basically shittin on all philosoper

    RimandaRimanda13 күн мурун
  • Philosophy hidden in a silly movie- Joe Vs The Volcano

    Sean SmythSean Smyth13 күн мурун
  • Spoilers? PLEASE spoil this so I don't have to waste the time watching it.

    Mr. PavoneMr. Pavone13 күн мурун
  • More Chomsky please :P

    Christian BeasleyChristian Beasley13 күн мурун
  • I think the fact that the truman show exists, is already proof we don't live in a giant dome being broadcasted to the rest on the world

    Goose _Goose _13 күн мурун
    • Now imagine the intern that got scold for making such a risky show inside the dome.

      Dradel LaitDradel Lait10 күн мурун
  • In the UK we call it Trigger's Broom

    Greg Tampin-CoppGreg Tampin-Copp13 күн мурун
  • The way I see it, White Vision won't destroy himself. Reason being is before when he sought out Vision to Terminate under command it was not the same Vision. It didn't really understand itself, and what makes Vision special is that he starts to asks questions. Once Vision convince him that he is the Real Vision and gave him the Memory. It understands Morality and Ethics. And chooses Free Will then to be under SWORD or any form of Government. The two Vision only listens to, like really LISTENS to is Wanda and Ironman. But since Ironman died and Wanda was more so a development attachment because of the Mind Stone. He is as Free Willed than ever before. More likely he'll go to Wakanda the scene where he died twice to find out the truth of his death and to understand himself even further. Wanda and White Vision will be another Story. Similar to Gamora and Starlord it almost feels like they'll start from scratch... or maybe not

    xXxScarKnightxXxxXxScarKnightxXx14 күн мурун
  • So will white vision be the new vision??

    Icey SuhnIcey Suhn15 күн мурун
  • Vision is worth too much for Disney to just have him kill himself. He's coming back

    Wild MenWild Men15 күн мурун
  • Theoretically white visions directive still exists, but is about to run headlong into conflict with white visions innate will to continue to exist. Expect an absence for a time and then a re-emergence of white vision elsewhere, my money being on a sudden wildcard emerging onto a field of battle between epic foes.

    z0mbee_fpvz0mbee_fpv15 күн мурун
  • Where I'm from the ship of theseus is known as the "Triggers broom" experiment.

    Hermit PrimeHermit Prime15 күн мурун
  • Just letting you know. Yes you are in Truman's show and i with other commenters are actors

    krernkrern16 күн мурун
  • This scene plus the scene of vision and Wanda in the compound are the two best scenes in the whole show

    TheHyeGamerTheHyeGamer16 күн мурун
  • Is anyone else getting irrationally angry at the sniffing sound he makes when he inhales?

    DrewheelerDrewheeler17 күн мурун
  • Being someone with memory loss and told by family 'i'm not the same/son died that day', memory loss plays a part in not just your identity but what people identify you by. White Vision is now the 'closer to Real' version Vision' having the original body and updated memories. WandaVision created what she wanted Vision to be/remembered he was. I 'wanda' if White Vision has original memories from Vision's life that Wanda never saw (aka his birth). If he does then he knows more about himself than WandaVision.

    Jaden ClarkJaden Clark18 күн мурун
  • It surprises me what people have been able to monetize on youtube

    pinealismpinealism18 күн мурун
  • Didn't they solve this in the very same episode? They're both vision and not vision, each is a part of the original. Wandavision is the part of his soul that lives in wanda but missing a body and white vision is the body reformed but missing a soul

    NeoyugiNeoyugi18 күн мурун
  • There is the concept that with the limits of the human hearing, and taking a standard song length. That there is a limited amount of unique songs that can be written. Can you apply this to the consciousness, being that it potentially is just a by product of correctly formed physical matter, which makes a consciousness? If not, is the consciousness of a more abstract spiritual and unique origin, but if so are we not even unique as a person, even on the level of consciousness. Your welcome to do a video on this if you like.

    Bill SmithBill Smith19 күн мурун
  • Didn't see this coming... But did Vision? hahaha

    Bill SmithBill Smith19 күн мурун
  • i dont get it

    Alexandre FonsecaAlexandre Fonseca19 күн мурун
  • I think that once white vision was given his memories, he was no longer controllable, at least not like a machine. He might be different than he was without a mind stone but he's probably free now

    Nexus VanguardNexus Vanguard19 күн мурун
  • As far as the ship paradox, which ship is the original is irrelevant as they are both their own ship now.

    DirewolfFrostDirewolfFrost19 күн мурун
  • This was the best Žižek impression I've seen in a while *sniff*

    Daniel DiggsDaniel Diggs20 күн мурун
  • Matpat sent me

    ShadowShadow20 күн мурун
  • Cool background! who designed it??

    Barbara PBarbara P21 күн мурун
  • ultimately wit the new vision possessing the body and now the memories he is vision but with wonder and white vision the stone becomes "one" making only the unification or just them being together should give them a ship of the same making entirely new panels but it will still need sail to put some wind in it

    Sylva ProductionSylva Production21 күн мурун
  • I really don't know My brain is tired lol But for me the sentence of the other dude isn't "edgie" he may just actually believes what he's saying On itself, we all are just meat on a big rock, waiting to die in a universe who won't ever remember us

    the spaghetto productionthe spaghetto production21 күн мурун
  • So... the real answer is that the ship stopped being The Ship of Theseus the moment a single pice of it changed/ got replaced/ got damaged?

    László MikóLászló Mikó22 күн мурун
  • I highly suggest Drop Dead Diva. The whole premise had me evaluating this question without thinking I was being philosophical.

    Varian MidoriyaVarian Midoriya22 күн мурун
  • At 10:00 you say, "But this isn't so much a philosophical point". I respectfully disagree with you. I thought the "new" Vision was applying the idea of Cogito, ergo, sum by René Descartes. When "new" Vision rebutted the "old" Vision's argument for the Ship of Theseus paradox, the "new" Vision asks, "but certainly you are the true Vision for you believe yourself to be?".

    JohnJohn22 күн мурун
  • should have went down like White vision is the physical embodiment of Jarvis not Vision, until Vision gave his memories back

    zorgricazorgrica23 күн мурун
  • Well, as a buddhist, I would take Chomsky idea and expand it to everything. There's no self to be found anywhere. At least not metaphysicaly, there are only conventional selves for the sake of language and communication. Both identity and substance are ilusions. We are mere part of a complex, interrelated, stream of fleeting casually conected apearances, interacting with itself without beggining or end.

    Gabriel ValerioleteGabriel Valeriolete23 күн мурун
  • What about the supremacist ideology of zemo on Episode 4 of TWSAF?

    jdmkIIIjdmkIII23 күн мурун
  • ssur.cc/girlsdatme1lxnc In particolare, la teoria esistente non lascia spazio alle condizioni finanziarie e amministrative esistenti. Innanzitutto, la moderna metodologia di sviluppo definisce in modo univoco ogni partecipante come capace di prendere le proprie decisioni riguardo alle direzioni di sviluppo progressivo.Tenuto conto dell'attuale situazione internazionale, il rafforzamento e lo sviluppo della struttura interna e una tappa qualitativamente nuova nella distribuzione delle riserve e delle risorse interne. E bello, cittadini, vedere come gli imprenditori su Internet coprono caratteristiche estremamente interessanti del quadro nel suo insieme, tuttavia, conclusioni concrete, ovviamente, si mescolano a dati non univoci al punto da essere completamente irriconoscibili, il che aumenta la loro stato di inutilita.❤️ ユーザーエクスペリエンスを向上させるための私たちの探求では、インターネット分析から導き出された結論が倫理と道徳の普遍的な規範に違反して宣言される可能性を見逃しています。突然、大企業の株主は笑い株になりますが、その存在自体が社会に疑いの余地のない利益をもたらします。多くの有名な人格は派閥の違いを追加するだけであり、関係当局によって客観的に考慮されます。私たち一人一人は明らかなことを理解しています。今日の経済アジェンダにより、開発モデルの開発における重要なタスクを完了することができます。

    Sara TexasSara Texas24 күн мурун
  • Continuity of memory is fascinating. It makes you wonder if people who experience significant brain trauma are the person they were.

    A. M ChristensenA. M Christensen24 күн мурун
  • Both Visions broke through glass instantly when they were born. It had been built up through a lot of scenes that Vision phases through walls ect...Why would he break through the glass in the library in Wandavision? Because he remembers being thrown through glass by Thor in Ultron. Vison is back.

    HurionHurion24 күн мурун
  • "Do I have friends! Is my mom-" I friggin cackled HAHAHHAHA

    -nya--nya-25 күн мурун
  • When you forget something, are you no longer yourself? I forget things all the time. I don't remember most of what happened to me before 2 to 3 years ago.

    Mac McleodMac Mcleod26 күн мурун
  • identity are the friends we made along the way (according to locke)

    Marina SouzaMarina Souza26 күн мурун
  • Wait a minute, if Wandas vision understands all of this stuff and other really smart stuff, doesnt that mean that Wanda must know and understand this stuff in the same amount of detail as vision in order for her vision to be able to know this, therefore meaning that Wanda is hella smart?

    Danny HodsonDanny Hodson26 күн мурун
  • stop sniffing lmao

    Saint ArjSaint Arj27 күн мурун
  • I thought it would be cool if they defined what they lacked as a fault and replaced what they lacked with the other. Two fakes ripping themselves apart to build the true vision. The two fakes becoming one whole

    Andrew ChildsAndrew Childs27 күн мурун
  • Was I the only one hoping that those two would fuse into one bieng?

    Grant PflumGrant Pflum27 күн мурун
  • This came up on my suggestion and I gotta say the algorithm knows exactly my niche. ha!

    BennytonBennyton27 күн мурун
  • IMHO, White Vision is a new being, built upon the foundation of the original Vision. In effect Wanda's Vision and White Vision are both copies or clones of the original. White Vision has more than cosmetic differences, because his active mind was used as a basic template to create new programming, and even though he has (evidently) broken free from that programming, it remains part of him. He was not fully created via the Mind Stone coupled with the power of Mjolnir. He does however remember being that person. So he has a new identity to forge. Which from a story-telling pov is tres exciting!

    David MacDowell BlueDavid MacDowell Blue28 күн мурун
  • Personally I think if Chomsky is right or not is a concern of looking at things from an absolute or relative view, much like how it could be said Absurdism in the absolute specifically askes to accept meaninglessness but then in the relative compels us to rebel *against* meaninglessness. On the absolute identity is a lie. Chomsky provides his argument form the context of his field, but even within the Ship of Theseus we can find this I think. When discussing the ship of Theseus we typically focus on which ship is the real one, only really questioning the two end results. But I think if we consider the words of Hericlitus "you cannot step in the same river twice" as applied to the ship of Theseus we have to take a step back and ask, 'When that first plank was removed, was it still the ship of Theseus?". Like the ever flowing and changing river, or the Michel frog, on the absolute scale the item has changed and is no longer the same thing. But on the relative scale all it really takes to be 'The Ship of Theseus' is for people to believe it is and call it that a la use is meaning. So on one side of the scale as soon as a change was made it cannot and can never again be the ship, but then on the other every step along the way and even both ships are 'The Ship of Theseus'. On the one hand frog Michael is not human Michael and can never return because a change has been made, the two are not the same thing and like Batman and Bruce Wayne can be said to not have the same identity. But on the other side as long as we call frog Michael 'Michael' than it is, because that is the identity we imbue it with. But none of that addresses where this identity comes from. Chomsky discusses it very structurally. The way I think of it in a more philosophy context is an illusion of connecting all identities from across moments via the construction of a narrative-self in conjunction with the ego, based mainly in the stories we tell ourselves about the memories we carry with us. BTW, that thought came while watching Jared discuss narrative self. So, hopefully that's a good thing. But what do you think WiseCrack? Can we accept that identity is a lie while holding view of continued identity that tries to make sense of our experience and provide a useful framework for considering what identity is? Or is transmuting the concept of identity to the paradigm ends of absolute and relative to better understand the whole useless hogwash that only makes it more confusing?

    Steven SmithSteven Smith28 күн мурун
  • Noam takes a premise that assumes the conclusion to support that argument, dude is working in circles.

    Jeff ThelessJeff Theless29 күн мурун
  • Wait... Michael Burns... Burnie?!

    Tre916Tre91629 күн мурун
  • I'm curious to know what video is the one quoted at 12:07

    Adolfo DominguesAdolfo Domingues29 күн мурун
  • I cringe everytime people call him White Vision... its SPECTRAL VISION

    James GJames G29 күн мурун
  • If memories make identity,then does that mean the dementia removes identity?

    Alfie SwindellAlfie SwindellАй мурун
  • Im the real vision. shut up.

    sanjiluvsanjiluvАй мурун
  • If you are your memories, does that mean Alzheimers kills you long before you draw your last breath?

    Curtis C CoomberCurtis C CoomberАй мурун
  • Glad he got that consent 😂

    Jayla StarrJayla StarrАй мурун
  • Ok, that's all very well, but would the broken columns hang like that 3:05?

    imotoginimotoginАй мурун
  • "I can't breath right now because what if Chomsky's right?" is a known feeling

    Kyle McCormackKyle McCormackАй мурун
  • Wow. I love it. They are both vision

    matthewJ142matthewJ142Ай мурун
  • Like creation. Where does life begin?

    matthewJ142matthewJ142Ай мурун
  • I mean, the thumbnail kinda already spoils it... not tryna start comment hate though just a :/

    Cassady AlbericoCassady AlbericoАй мурун
  • When they started talking about the ship I’m like “wait hold up is this???”

    Aerin X ShamyAerin X ShamyАй мурун
  • I have so many look-alikes out there that I all but stopped asking who I am.

    Matthew HarrisMatthew HarrisАй мурун
  • Gonna keep it real, this “reaction” style video format is not it chief.

    Mint TeaMint TeaАй мурун
  • everyone debate whether who is the true vision but no one realize the wanda's vision is "self-lessly" sacrifice himself, his own identity to convert white vision, why is he bring out the "theseus ship" at the beginning, with his power he can calculate steps ahead and will know in the end, the only work he need to do is transfer his memories.

    Thiên Ân ĐàoThiên Ân ĐàoАй мурун
  • Female: "Fighting!!!" Male: "Ship of Theseus"

    JesJesАй мурун
  • once he gets his memories he is the real vision

    Optimus PrimeOptimus PrimeАй мурун
  • Y'all are reading too much into this. Vision is a computer. When you download your old stuff or rather transfer your old data to a new computer its the same but what makes it different is the user (Wanda) getting use to the new computer. If question is how did WandaVision know its memories cos she wasn't there when he did and neither was she there when he was created. However, he somehow downloaded all those memories to White Vision.

    Mark LawMark LawАй мурун
  • Funny thing is Agnus commented about Weaponized Vision as the ex and Wanda's Vision is the new boyfriend

    Crippling MemesCrippling MemesАй мурун
  • I don't understand why this theory is really relevant. Colored Vision is made from the memories of Wanda not from any part of the real Vision. Memories can be wrong and/or manipulated. White Vision has the body of Vision and the memories of Vision (but they are repressed). Where was the slowly replaced ship? It's like people who create famous art by memory, it is not the real art piece.

    Jarednet1Jarednet1Ай мурун
  • The Vision Wanda made can't be the real Vision because he was created from scratch by Wanda with her memories of him. So, he has no physical parts of the original Vision and never had. He also doesn't have memories of Vision and his personality was formed by Wanda. So he is a copy of what Vision was. Using ships, the Titanic was destroyed and now the Titanic II is being made in China. The Titanic II is a replica of the Titanic and will never be the Titanic. The Titanic II may look like the Titanic and feel like the Titanic but has no original part of the Titanic.

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